About "Grapleing"

[Ruscfast]

Okay, so I know that grappling type weapons and grappling people are illegal but what about using legal weapons to grapple your opponents weapons.

For example: say you have a bearded axe, would it be allowed to use it to try to hook and pull a sword out of your opponent's hand?

[Cib]

I have good news for you! The notion that grappling is illegal is completely false! ;D

Weapons cannot be able to "entangle" another weapon or limb, but they are allowed to hook another weapon. Hooking a shield with an ax it a popular strategy.

Here are the rules you are looking at specifically:

3.6. Grappling is allowed.

3.6.1. Combatants may initiate Grapples with opponents according to the following rules.
3.6.1.1. A Combatant wearing no Armor may Grapple all opponents.
3.6.1.2. A Combatant wearing Leather Armor may Grapple any Armored opponent, but not unarmored opponents.
3.6.1.3. A Combatant wearing Chain Armor may Grapple opponents wearing Chain or Plate Armor.
3.6.1.4. A Combatant wearing plate Armor may not initiate a Grapple.
3.6.2. A Combatant wearing plastic safety equipment is treated as leather Armor for grappling purposes only.
3.6.3. No throws, unarmed strikes, or joint/nerve holds.
3.6.4. Combatants with Missile Weapons (Type 4, bow/arrows) may not initiate Grapples or be Grappled.

1.5. Prohibited Weapons:

1.5.1. Entangling Weapons (nets, lassos).

geddon.org/index.php/Book_of_war

[Darr]

Yeah grappling is just fine. Just another little note, grabbing another person's weapon is not considered a grapple. It is legal however just as long as you don't grab the blade. So, grabbing the other guys spear is completely legal and a legitimate strategy. One last thing that I have to add to this, is that while it is not legal to grab another guys blade it is perfectly legal to grab your own. Just make sure that the other guy doesn't grab your weapon at that time because if he does then your arm will be considered to be cut off.

[Hakan]

Apr 30, 2009 17:47:41 GMT -7 Darr said:

Yeah grappling is just fine. Just another little note, grabbing another person's weapon is not considered a grapple. It is legal however just as long as you don't grab the blade. So, grabbing the other guys spear is completely legal and a legitimate strategy. One last thing that I have to add to this, is that while it is not legal to grab another guys blade it is perfectly legal to grab your own. Just make sure that the other guy doesn't grab your weapon at that time because if he does then your arm will be considered to be cut off.

About grabbing your own blade, that's subject to whether or not the Herald feels like being a jerk. Some people are fine with it while others, not so much. Keep that in mind

On the same note, grabbing someones weaponry is judged the same way. Some heralds say it's not grappling, others disagree. The rules are kept vague for simplicity but alas that also means there's always those who will try to exploit them

[Darr]

Well darn it all. Oh well, way out here we don't think that it is grappling so for Srathclyde fighting it will be just fine.

[Cib]

It should be fine. When I asked about this on Belegarht.com the "higher ups" universal answer was that grabbing a weapon was not considered grappling (I was asking because I had steel bracers and used a spear, and often fought against spear).



Garbing another persons blade is a no-no. There are even some historical techniques where in you grab your opponents blade! I believe it is a rule that should be enforced because grabbing an opponents blade is a good way to destroy their blade.

Similarly, wile it is not usually discussed or enforced, never grab any part of a spearman's spear head, even if not technically the "blade". One good twist could take the spear man out of the battle because of a broken spear. Not very fun.


Oh, and welcome to our forums Hakan! Your profile sais you are from Numenor? What brings you out to this remote corner of the world? (For those who don't know, Numenor is a lard and highly regarded realm in the Belegarth world)

[Hakan]

Well, I just happened to be tooling about the Bel-boards and ran across one of your posts, clicked a couple links, clicked a couple more, and ended up here.

I like talking to fighters everywhere, especially up and coming realms, because I like to try and help (I've been doing this for 5 years now)

That, and, I have a couple of friends out in Calgary so should I ever save the money to go visit I just might have to invade. Mwahahahaha....errr..*cough*

Also, I assure you we're not made of Lard, as yummy as that might be.

[Cib]

lol, ah, make that large...

[Gil-Galad]

can someone define what is considered an illegal grappling throw? eg while grappling upright are you allowed to leg sweep to give your self the advantage? if anyone can define "throws" for me that would be great ( i seem to end up grappling alot and would like to know what i can and can't do)

[Moginheden]

3.6.3. No throws, unarmed strikes, or joint/nerve holds.

I've heard grappling defined as "high school wrestling rules."

[duskinwolfs]

well im just going to go bac to the sublect of grabbing your own blade. if you put your hand on the blade for a block aginst a strong attack would you loose that arm.

[Cib]

No. There are a very few who would argue that you would, but the general consensus is that it is ok.

The main purpose of the no grabbing a blade rule is to protect weapons from being destroyed (mainly twisting off the core).

If you used your arm instead of your hand to support your blade then it might be considered anviling.

[duskinwolfs]

okay ill try that

[Moginheden]

just for clarification. anviling = illegal