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Post by Cib on Nov 21, 2009 17:04:38 GMT -7
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Post by Cib on Nov 21, 2009 19:44:12 GMT -7
First thoughts from watching: I am amazed, at how many times if I had just put a tad more umph on my shots I would have landed a kill shot.
Darr, I wonder how many times you actually land 2 good shots but they are so fast in the moment that your opponent only takes one.
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Post by Cib on Nov 21, 2009 22:31:37 GMT -7
Coment from slowdaze on YouTube:
cib, when you fight great weapon vssword and shield focus on your leverage. If the SB charges, turn sideways to block all onside shots. If he throws an offside like a high cross then sweep the hammer up. Search Bellatrix two hand sword on google vids for examples. When fighting the florentiner, Mog?, your two advantages are the mass of your weapon and your range.Try to keep him at your range and power through his defense. Finally, hit each other harder Belegarth isn't a tap sport.
So apparently we still are not hitting hard enough...
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Post by David of Doell on Nov 22, 2009 10:04:17 GMT -7
Nice videos but since I'm in a video school right now I'd like to suggest using a tripod if you have one or at least finding something to set the camera on. I'd be interested in making some Belegarth videos when I get back since I'll be in a video mood. I enjoyed watching the duels though. Nice axe hammer.
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Post by Cib on Nov 22, 2009 17:44:16 GMT -7
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Post by draggoas on Nov 23, 2009 10:10:09 GMT -7
Hey cib, just a tip, when your fighting with a red, best thing you can do, is go for the legs, then you can control the range better.
anyways, ill should be able to make it out to belegarth this friday, are you still doing the monday night practices?
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Post by Cib on Nov 23, 2009 10:55:49 GMT -7
No monday nights right now. Winter hit, it is cold and dark.
I don't know why my fighting was so off in these videos, I am usually really good a deeking for the legs, but it is like I totally forgot the legs existed that day (both with the red and with the sword)!
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Post by Cib on Nov 30, 2009 13:53:50 GMT -7
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Post by Cib on Nov 30, 2009 13:58:03 GMT -7
Also some feed back from a film making forum I am with, we were talking about fighting in films and I linked the videos, this guy is part of a Viking org and an instructor for the AES: Very interesting. I haven't run across a medieval club such as this. Is it an organized society, or are you guys a local club and kinda do things in your own way. It doesn't quite look like SCA, or you'd have heavy battle gear and rattan swords? I appreciated your style in the midst of the competetive sparring. You always seemed to acknowledge the hits you got. Looked like the other two guys were little more reticent to take their hits of which you dished out your fare share  ! Very interesting videos though. I would totally agree that if you are going to make a promo video, get some good scripted fight clips, and also add some cool music in the background. Another effect that always looks good is if you run group drills with synconized patterns. Often our group runs drills with offence and defence stances and sword patterns. Another thing our group does is really discourage the unorganized swing and bash type fighting. It is fun, but doesn't really focus on proper technique and doesn't make for very realistic training. If you watch the video and you see the guy in red or the taller fellow with 2 swords, they fight with a flury of continuous attacks and often don't react realisticly when they are hit. Running drills slowly with parry, or parry riposte, will develop more technical skills. There is no way you would fight like that in real life. If you watch the fighting often when one of the other guys goes nuts with their attacks, you see you get a pretty good parry (defence) and then score a decent hit with the riposte (counter attack), but the guy attacking doesn't even act fazed and just keeps swinging like he wasn't touched. I usually get quite frustrated by guys who fight like that. If you fought like that in real life you'd probably be seriously injured or dead pretty quickly. I think if you slowed things down a bit a worked on actually offence and defence drills in pairs you would become much more technically proficient. This is where something like the Hans Talhoffer manuscripts are very excellent because they demonstrate good offencive and defencive techniques that can be practiced. I would really have a sit down and talk about the necessity of killing those rediculous offencive blasts that are so unrealistic and unfair from a competative swordfighting standpoint. At the very least I would have sparring matches refed and if there is a hit by the defender all blows given after don't count as there should be some hit reaction by both duelers. BUT - if you guys are just wanting to have fun with what you are doing and that is how you go about it then just disregard all of this. Being in clubs like this should be about fun and not all about technical. Adding the technical aspects might not necessarily remove the fun, but rather enhance it. One last tip - remember that you always keep your body squared to your opponent and your attacks come straight forward, left or right. Defence comes on the x pattern, and your riposte is back to the straight lines. by moving off in defence at an angle you can often avoid a blow without even using your shield or sword, and you will move around your opponent in the process opening up more easy targets. | \ / | \ / Offence -------|------- Defence \/ | / \ | / \ / \ Sorry, my x doesn't look much like an x. ! Thanks for posting the video. Looks like you have a good thing going there. Keep it up. |
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Post by David of Doell on Dec 1, 2009 23:30:40 GMT -7
I just read all the replies on the national forum. Good advice. Have you thought about the mass production of shields? I might have some plywood for us to use. I'd just have to ask my dad. I think shields for everyone would be sooooo much better. It helps players live longer and it's a common combo in Bel so why not? When I get back I'll probably make a round shield and give it a shot.
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Post by Cib on Dec 2, 2009 9:28:56 GMT -7
I think Darr has a half dozen cores ready to do I believe. Wood is not to expensive. It is the foam prices that makes us wince. I still haven't run the numbers on Arrakis' recommendation though.
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Post by Cib on Dec 2, 2009 9:36:08 GMT -7
Foam: About $200
Wood: No idea
Glue: $60
Fabric: $72 (assuming $6 a foot)
Total: $332
Per shield Total: $41.5 (Pulse wood cost)
Wood and fabric are big variables here. If both are on the cheep end, it might be $32 a shield, if they are not cheep each shield might be as much as $50+.
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Post by David of Doell on Dec 3, 2009 0:43:14 GMT -7
Where you can cut costs is the fabric. Buy a sheet from a used clothing store for like $2, that's what I do. Two shields per sheet probably. If that's not possible I'm sure you could grab two pieces of something small, sew them together and do a two coloured shield. Why don't you ask around and see how many people would be willing to make a shield for $35? I just emailed my dad to see if I'd be able to use a sheet or two of plywood. Oh I just remembered something...I have four plywood sheets 2' x 4' that we could use. I cut up a 4 x 8 sheet a long time ago for another project that didn't work out. This would be perfect according to Arakkis' suggestion. It's 1/4" but we could double it up or add an "x" of scrap wood on the back for strength. That's 8 shields with an "x" or 4 1/2" shields. So I'm thinking this shield thing is very possible if you're up for it.
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Post by Moginheden on Dec 3, 2009 18:47:24 GMT -7
I'd be up for a shield or maybe even 2. I've got 1 2/3 rolls of camp foam to use and an unopened can of contact cement. Not sure if it would work but I've got some strapping that we could use too.
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Post by Cib on Dec 3, 2009 20:12:21 GMT -7
I think the lesson from Alex's shield straps braking, is that the plastic-y stuff just doesn't cut it (same as what Darr uses, and the stuff I broke on my armour). What do you got?
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! Very interesting videos though. 